RE: nastygram from xxx.lanl.gov

Elias Sideris (elsid@archimedes.y-net.gr)
Tue, 9 Jul 1996 12:04:41 +-300


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I think that all the operations of a "robot",
(even HEAD requests ) need to conform in "robot guidelines" (robots.txt, etc),
since these requests need "attacked" system resources.

459 HEAD requests produce 459 server child-forks. Many of the requests
will operate in papallel. If the server has an upper limit in forking maybe
the site will be saved, else the paging volume will be full.

In our site we had a similar problem with HotBot, even with an AIX with 64M
of memory and a lot of free disk (and upper limit in server).

My opinion is that:
a "robot" need to conform in any case with robots.txt and
request from a site a subset of URLs (in a logical rate), not all of them at once.

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>From: Aaron Nabil[SMTP:nabil@i.net]
>Subject: nastygram from xxx.lanl.gov
>
>I just got a nastygram from the web admin at xxx.lanl.gov accusing
>my "robot" of "attacking" him. This "attack" consisted of HEAD's on
>459 URL's, with a mean pause of about 2 minutes. The total data set
>was (all sites) 653k URLs, and yes I probably should have filtered the test set to
>limit the number of accesses to any one site. Mea culpa.
>
>He accused my "robot" of violating the "robot guidelines". He didn't
>enumerate which I violated. I'm guessing he may have been upset that the
>test was ignoring his robot.txt, but since the test wasn't traversing the
>general web space and was in no danger of looping or getting lost, there wasn't
>much point. The test was operating from a fixed list of URLs that once tested
>would be discarded.
>
>He also informed me that "we have no need for you to 'index' our site" only
>to then rebuke me for running "a particularly stupid robots that only does
>pointless HEADs". I didn't point out that the two would naturally be mutually
>exclusive. :)
>
>Anyway, he naturally asked that I "cease and desist", which I'm of course I'm
>happy to do.
>
>Comments? Should such accesses as mine also test robots.txt? Were my accesses
>"burdensome" at that rate? Are the "robot guidelines" no longer "guidelines"
>but "rules" and are these rules applicable to all forms of automated access, even if
>they aren't robots?
>--
>nabil@i.net
>http://www.i.net/aaron/
>

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