Re: nastygram from xxx.lanl.gov

Gordon Bainbridge (gordon@BASISinc.com)
Thu, 11 Jul 1996 08:32:50 -0700


Denis McKeon wrote:
>
> In <9607101601.AA02328@outland.BASISinc.com>,
> Gordon Bainbridge <gordon@BASISinc.com> wrote:
> >...
> >This suggests to me that they have brought much of their trouble on
> >themselves by continuing to use the name "xxx".
>
> [snipped]
> Consider it an encouragement to learn more about manners.
> Then, if you choose to ignore what some people consider good manners,
> you can take responsibility for making an informed decision
> instead of just complaining about the results of your choices.
>
> I will agree that this particular site is a bit of a Venus flytrap -
> using sex-related index words for bait - but the point that it has
> a robots.txt file and that your software ignored it is enough for me.
>

Just for the record, I did not write the software in question. I agree
strongly that robots should adhere to the REP. In fact, I was very much
in sympathy with the complaints of xxx.lanl.gov until I visited that site.

Chris Cowther wrote:
>
> > 15 year old kids looking for Pam Anderson gifs don't seem to be causing
> > trouble at that site.
>
> Unless they're using a Robot to do a traverse and find all pages
> with the words "Pam" or "Pammela" and "Anderson". :)

Or if they're looking for words such as "porn", "erotic", "bondage", etc.

Yes, xxx.lanl.gov is justified in complaining about robots ignoring
robots.txt. Still, I find it awfully hard to sympathize with their
skull-and-crossbones take-no-prisoners approach, and I find their
complaints a little hard to take seriously when they have embedded all
those provocative words in an HTML comment that are guaranteed to trigger
hits.

Also. remember that this is a US government site, using our tax money
to threaten US citizens (and non-citizens) with obliterating reprisals.

It seems to me that this thread has demonstrated that there are both
robot writers and website administrators who refuse to act responsibly
and who cloak this refusal in some very self-righteous talk about rights
and abuse. (yeah, this could generate flames from BOTH sides!).

-Gordon Bainbridge